Laws won’t change a sagger’s heart, God can

April 9, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Question of the Week, Spotlight Answers by Rick Donlon

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

The two meta-themes of the Jewish and Christian scriptures are rebellion and redemption. Nearly everything in life, including how we wear our clothes, can be understood in light of those two themes.

Thursday night we celebrated a Seder or Passover Feast as part of our house church’s preparation for Easter. Passover recounts how the God of Israel redeemed His people from oppression in Egypt. Despite ten opportunities, Egypt’s king refused to submit to the true ruler of the universe. On behalf of the LORD, Moses said, “Let my people go!”. Nine times Pharaoh replied, “You’re not the boss of me.”

Easter is the ultimate story of redemption. By His death and resurrection, Jesus Christ has redeemed not only God’s people, but all of creation. If we’re honest, we recognize that everything in our present world, ourselves included, is broken and decaying. On our very best days we fail to consistently do the right things, keep our promises, and love others. On our worst days we don’t even try. This cosmos-wide state of brokenness is the direct result of ancient and ongoing human rebellion. For those who would humble themselves and look to Jesus’ death and resurrection in faith, there’s the promise of a restored world–a new heaven and earth without suffering, disease, aging, regret, or death.

“Sagging” your pants such that your underwear and/or rear end is visible is a not-so-subtle form of rebellion. “Look at me parent/teacher/coach/principal/citizen/police officer. I won’t follow your rules or meet your expectations. I don’t care what you think about how I’m dressed– if fact, I hope you find it offensive. I won’t respect you, but I’ll demand that you respect me. After all, I’m powerful and dangerous. No one tells me what to do.”

It’s reasonable to make a law against sagging in school, but it won’t change the sagger’s heart. All humans are rebels in need of redemption, from the angriest gang-banger to Mother Theresa. We have customs, mores, rules, and laws to restrain the ill effects of rebellion, but there’s nothing within us that can transform our rebellious nature. That sort of change must originate with and be sustained by God, who alone has the power to redeem human hearts.

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Meet the new Pharisees

April 7, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Question of the Week, Spotlight Answers by Burton Carley

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

The Tennessee General Assembly approved a bill to prohibit public school students from dressing in an “indecent manner,” but the legislation was primarily aimed at young men who wear saggy pants. It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Is this a morality issue or something else?

It seems that our ideologically dominated Tennessee General Assembly is printing money in the form of laws that require you to be their clones. What is most surprising is that the catalog of new legislative efforts are not even ideologically correct for those who say they champion freedom for decision making at the local level and who don’t want “big” government. It reminds me of the Pharisees who were so focused on righteousness that the letter of the law became more important than its spirit.

Memphis public schools already enforce a dress code with a uniform policy that includes pants belted at the waist. The state already possesses indecency laws. New laws that attempt to bully people to think, dress and act like a good Pharisee should, are simply undemocratic and morally weak. Our state lawmakers need to remember that they are not religious heads of state whose role it is to regulate the roles of women, the theory of evolution, or the dress codes of local schools. Government is for the people, and that is not just one part of the people who are ideologically or theologically correct.

Since laws are raining down upon us from our state capital that seek to legislate morality by taking away freedom, maybe a new proposal is in order. You might call it the moral umbrella policy. It simply suggests as a moral teacher once did that those without sin should cast the first stone. The problem is that I can already see the hail of stones.

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A cry for attention

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Featured Question of the Week, Question of the Week by David Hall

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

The youth craze of wearing their clothing down is a cry for attention. This is not a morality issue. No, this is a give them love and attention protest. Youth are saying, “We know you don’t respect us. You adult don’t see us.” Sagging pants is the way for youth to get attention. The bonus is simple. Our youth know adults don’t like the sagging look and can’t do anything about it.

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Does God care what we wear?

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Featured Question of the Week, Question of the Week by Chris Altrock

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

Does God care what we wear?

No.

When a wealthy person wearing wonderful fashion enters a church assembly, Jesus’ brother James warns the Christians against being partial to him. James knows the Christians are likely to treat this guest with extreme kindness because of his expensive clothes.

And when a poor person in pathetic fashion enters that same building, James warns the Christians against being nasty to him. James knows the Christians are likely to treat this guest shabbily because of his shabby clothes.

The Christians may have cared what these visitors wore, but God did not. James warns them: “Show no partiality!” The worth of the person was not to be measured by the price of their clothes. People could not be deemed desirable or undesirable due to their dress.

For James it came down to this: who God values cannot be determined by what people wear. No culture or congress should ever strive to measure people’s merit by their garments.

Does God care what we wear?

Yes.

In contrast to a culture in which sex sells and skin is in, young Timothy urges Christians to dress modestly. Timothy understood that clothes may not make the man (or woman) but they can make a statement. We can express what’s in our hearts by what we put on our bodies. Our standards for living are often reflected in the styles of our clothing.

Thus, Timothy did not feel it appropriate for our outfits to say “yes” when our ethics say “no.”  He believed in the importance of congruity between our spiritual compass and our clothes closet.

For Timothy it came down to this: what we value can be conveyed by what we wear. I can’t say anything about your worth based on what you wear. But I do say something about what I value based on what I wear.

Does God care what we wear?

No.

Because who he values cannot be determined by what people wear.

Yes.

Because what we value can be conveyed by what we wear.

So, what are you going to wear today?

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Waiting for youth to grow out of a trend

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Featured Question of the Week, Question of the Week by Elaine Sanford

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

I think one would be hard pressed to find an adult over the age of 30 who supports the controversial fashion trend of sagging pants. It is a trend that seems so ridiculous that one can hardly believe that any young “thinking” person would knowingly want to do it. Who would want to intentionally expose his or her backside or undergarments to the public? Who would want to walk as if he or she were balancing a beam between their legs? The truth is, the trend is quite comical and, I for one, get a good laugh at some of the better saggers that I have had the privilege of observing. As a minister, I suppose I should feel obliged to preach to young people about respect for themselves and other people; and how what they do honors or dishonors God. But then, I would also have to include the part about the freedom that we all enjoy in Jesus Christ which allows us to make a “choice” of whether to live a holy and decent life.

Do we need a state law to force a young man or woman to stop rebelling against society? I suppose that it is a moot point to say, “no,” since lawmakers have already decided that we need one. But, I have a question, how will this law be enforced? Will teachers now have one more thing to take their minds away from teaching our children? Doesn’t the school system already have a dress code?
I don’t have the answer for how to get young people to pull their pants up. But, I don’t have an answer for how to stop thong bikinis, tight, tight leggings worn as pants, Daisy Duke shorts, or the new “peek-a-boo” trend of showing off as much as one can get away with without being arrested! I guess the point is – many people in our society have chosen to rebel against societal standards hoping that it will bring attention and cause them to stand out from everyone else. Should we pass laws to prevent this?

Like most adults, I too am offended by seeing someone’s underwear exposed in public. But, how will a law that affects only students in school help any of us who see this trend every other place that we go?

Perhaps, for this trend and others like it, our best recourse is to do what our parents did – leave it alone. Why? Because one can be certain that the more young people realize that what they are doing really irritates grownups, they will not only continue it, but find ways to expand on it! So, I say, let’s wait them out, because “this too shall pass.” Young people will eventually grow up and the trend of saggy pants will go the way that old trends go. It too will be forgotten. I don’t think that I’ve ever seen an elderly man wearing saggy pants, unless he forgot where he put his belt.

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Law of the Medes and Persians

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Question of the Week, Spotlight Answers by Alex Wellford

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

My response: Does this statute come under the law of the Medes and Persians, so it cannot be reversed? If a student with saggy pants saves a teacher’s life, will he still be thrown into the lion’s den?

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Waiting for the next rebellion

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Question of the Week, Spotlight Answers by Mark Matheny

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

I agree that this is a moral issue, but wonder how it will be enforced. In a way, it reminds me of a distinction made at a recent meeting between “houselessness” and “homelessness”; just as a house alone might not be a true home, so it seems to me that cracking down on bagginess alone might solve a short term dilemma, but unless there is long-term role modeling and attitude adjustment at every level, including among us who are shocked at blatant behaviors, we may be stuck in a rut, just waiting for the next manifestation of rebellion.

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Train up youth in the way they should go

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Question of the Week, Spotlight Answers by Brandon Porter

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

The thought on morality is understood as it relates to legislation, but we have a responsibility to our youth, and that is to train up in the way they should go. Now I also believe that a man or women convinced against their will remains unconvinced. However that’s a man or a woman but as it relates to children we need to be direct them and be conclusive in our approach. The only challenge I see is who defines the proper code.

I am daily appalled at how so many young men are subdued by the thought that showing your underwear is okay, and I often let them know that it is not ok. They don’t understand that what they do today affects their tomorrow’s ability to influence and lead. So I am in agreement with laws that help to structure growth and maturity. I also believe that I a certain dress is mandatory it will also encourage and create the best atmosphere for education. I am not however in agreement for laws just to inflict punishment and consequences such as suspensions and etc. We need to allow training and instruction from others in the community to talk to these young men and women, to express the reasons for the ruling. We must show them that we are not trying to hurt but to help their future.

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Baggy pants are a distraction from real issues

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Featured Question of the Week, Question of the Week by Steve Montgomery

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

Though baggy pants are a distraction in school and at times even bordering on the obscene, the state legislature is using this as a distraction from the major issues confronting our state.  At a time when we have tax laws that provide an undue burden on the poor; when we have legislators cow-towing to the NRA and advocating guns in bars; when we have a state that does not back up “love of neighbor” with actions towards immigrants, Muslims, and others; our state legislature has used “baggy pants” as a scapegoat to distract them from the harder issues.

This is the job of the local school board, not the state legislature. I would support the local board in its efforts to provide a healthy environment for learning, including dress codes.

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Ridicule, not legislation

April 6, 2012 in Are sagging pants a morality issue or something else?, Question of the Week, Spotlight Answers by Cole Huffman

It is often said that you “can’t legislate morality.” Are saggy pants a morality issue or something else?

Most laws are legislated morality. Morality constitutes standards of approvable conduct, and some of these standards are codified into law. In the case of sagging it would be better left to the school districts to assess and enforce their own dress codes. I don’t know anyone, black or white, who approves of sagging except those fellows, black and white, that I occasionally see in public with their -— thank you, General Larry Platt -— “Pants On the Ground.” But I don’t know that this means sagging needs to be outlawed. Sagging doesn’t necessarily rise to immorality. (It doesn’t rise at all.) Sagging is ridiculed by most as dumb fashion, and some cultural currents are better addressed by ridicule than legal recourse.

So to the saggy-panted everywhere I make four declarations: 1) A gentleman’s belt is one of his nicest accessories. 2) Pants are designed to feel better on a man above his buttocks than below. 3) Note the word “under” in “underwear.” 4) You’re looking like a fool with your pants on the ground! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMwhl4IrPNc

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